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« Reply #135 on: January 11, 2011, 01:33:04 PM »

Back on the wagon again. 

I'm doing a modified South Beach diet.  The modification is that I'm allowing for planned cheat days (approximately once a week) as recommended in the 4 hour body.  Instead of getting down about falling off the wagon, I'm actually going to schedule it.  Knowing that you still get to eat all the crap that I love every once in a while makes dieting much more bearable.

In addition to the diet, I'm trying to amp up the speed of the weight loss through exposure to cold as I mentioned in the cold showers thread.

I started yesterday at 217 and weighed in today at 215.

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« Reply #136 on: January 12, 2011, 01:56:16 PM »

Rolling along with another 2.5 lb loss. Now at 212.5.

I was able to swim for 30 minutes today in a cold pool. I'm still tingling.
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« Reply #137 on: January 13, 2011, 11:44:38 AM »

 Still going !!   Now I'm down to 211 (6 pounds in 3 days !!).
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« Reply #138 on: January 13, 2011, 04:42:28 PM »


SugerDude,

I just read your first post - I am IDENTICAL.  6 feet and 212 pounds.  I am "cutting back", but I know it is truly difficult it is.

Keep up the excellent work.

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Still going !!   Now I'm down to 211 (6 pounds in 3 days !!).
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« Reply #139 on: January 14, 2011, 11:07:12 AM »

Thanks Otis.  Good luck.

Down to 210 !!
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« Reply #140 on: January 17, 2011, 07:41:20 AM »

I'm allowed (per the 4-hour body).....encouraged to do one cheat day a week for purposes of speeding up my metabolism. Eat as much crap as I can or desire for a whole day.  Besides speeding up the metabolism, it is helpful phychologically since it takes away any feelings of guilt or shame for "slipping". It's ascheduled part of the diet and when it's over you go right back to eating healthy.

Yesterday was my cheat day. I gained 3.5 pounds so I'm back up to 213. So after one week I've officially lost 4 pounds and I'm mentally prepared to continue.

As far as my thermal loading I've been taking 10 minute cold showers and putting an ice pack on my neck for 10 minutes at night. I'm also trying to do light swimming in colder water as much as possible.

Today I've added drinking 500 ML of ice water as soon as I wake up.

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« Reply #141 on: February 18, 2011, 03:17:16 PM »

Well thermal loading is of no consequence if you don't have the diet under control.

I'm onto something new that has deconditioning as a theoretical foundation. 

More later.
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« Reply #142 on: February 19, 2011, 10:02:24 AM »

Sugardude, glad to see you back here and posting. I'm eager to hear this new approach you have embarked upon.

I agree with you that deconditioning of appetite is essential to sustainable fat loss. It is equally important to fundamentally alter metabolism by upgregulating receptors, enzymes and hormones involved in glucose and fatty acid transport. Medications, supplements, special diets, exercise programs and even attempts to re-set basal metabolic rate through thermogenesis do not fundamentally change the way we respond to foods; nor do they change our metabolic "hardware".  So you remain vulnerable to relapse whenever you experience the combination of low energy, stress and an appetite "trigger".

The only way I see to reverse this is to simultaneously decrease your responsiveness to appetite cues and increase your ability to quickly release glucose and fatty acids from your glycogen and adipose tissue.  The best way to achieve the first is by actively re-training your response to foods using cue exposure and learning to "schedule" your eating so that it becomes disconnected from appetite signals.  The best way to achieve the second is to find ways to deliberately lower your basal insulin levels, though intermittent fasting (with scheduled eating) and occasional, brief high intensity exercise. This will increase the density and sensitivity of GLUT4 receptors in muscle tissue, will suppress LPL and ASP and will increase glycogenoslysis and lipolysis via HSL, glucagon, epinephrine and norepinephrine, so that you are never starved for immediate energy.  The deconditioning also helps here by suppressing cephalic phase insulin that can stoke your appetite.  These metabolic changes take weeks to occur, so one must be consistent and patient during the "remodelling" phase.

Having a sugar addiction adds an additional twist: Sugar addicts, like cocaine addicts, have been shown to have a fewer and more resistant dopamine, insulin, and leptin receptors in certain areas of the hypothalamus (the brain's appetite center).  According to Lustig,

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...insulin and leptin..modify the 'hedonic pathway' (which regulates pleasurable and motivating responses to stimuli). This pathway localizes to the ventral tegmental area (VTA) and the nucleus accumbens (NA), with inputs from [various sensory pathways]...The VTA initiates feeding on the basis of palatabilty rather than energy need....Leptin and insulin receptors are expressed in the VTA, and both hormones have been implicated in modulating rewarding responses to food and other pleasurable stimuli...food restriction (during which insulin and leptin levels are low) increase the addictive properties of drugs of abuse...Obesity also results in decreased density of D2 dopamine receptors as measured by PET scanning. In the short term, insulin increases expression and activity of dopamine transporter, which clears and removes dopamine from the synapse; thus acute insulin expsosure blunts the reward of food in rats...CNS insulin resistance sets the stage for unchecked caloric intake in the face of positive energy balance, as evidenced experimentally by brain-specific insulin receptor knockout mice. By altering hedonic responses to food intake, insulin resistance at the VTA may drive excessive energy intake.

So trying to reduce your insulin levels via food restriction and exercise will in the short term increase the addictive attraction of food (and drugs) by starving the brain of dopamine, which is bad news if you have a low number of insulin and dopamine receptors!  This means that it is not easy to reverse sugar cravings!!  I've written more about this in my post, Change your receptors, change your set point.

The only way I can see to get out of this vicious cycle is to grow more insulin and dopamine receptors! Unlike supplements, diets and aerobic exercise, deconditioning and basal insulin lowering will permanently change the way your "machine" operates, rather than than temporarily making the "dials" change. Psychologically, it is extremely important to recognize that these changes in receptor levels and sensitivity take weeks to occur, so patience and consistency are essential.  On the flip side, it should provide positive motivation to endure the temporary discomfort and low energy levels, once you realize that by growing new receptors (and establishing alternate reward pathways) you are making permanent, sustainable changes to your body and your eating behavior.

Good luck!

Todd
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« Reply #143 on: February 20, 2011, 08:36:33 AM »

Thanks Todd.

It's been week and I've lost 10 lbs.

In regards to deconditioning I have actually returned to extinction.  The problem in the past is that it has been impossible to utilize such a method because there are so many ways to derail my efforts which derive from physical and psychological sources.

I will say at this point that one of the strategies that I have blown off before is actively recognizing which situations cause me to need sugar either on a physical level or psychological level.  If there is a way to plan ahead for these situations and get through them without giving in, extinction IMO can be utilized effectively.

So obviously you have to experience a decent amount of failure (which I have) in order to recognize and plan ahead for these circumstances.

The real question for me is how long does it take? My current goal is to get to 30 days without eating sweets (this includes diet sodas which contain a level of sweeteness).

Stay tuned.


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« Reply #144 on: February 20, 2011, 04:59:24 PM »

Sugardude,

Thanks for the explanation.  My only concern here is that by avoiding "trigger situations" and sweets entirely for 30 days, you may extinguish the background urge, but you remain vulnerable to any random occurrence of either the trigger situation or the sweet -- and then you are off to the races again. What are the chances that you'll be able to TOTALLY avoid the social situations or the presence of sweets for the rest of your life? It may be even harder to avoid sugar in our society than it is to avoid alcohol.

I discussed this same issue on my "Overcoming Addictions" post, regarding the difference between the total abstinence philosophy of AA or Narconon, and the cue exposure therapy described by Conklin and Tiffany. Despite what they'd like you to believe, abstinence programs have a significant failure rate.  It might be worthwhile to take a look at that paper, which reviews the factors which differentiate successful vs. unsuccessful approaches to extinction.  

There are some other related links about behavioral approaches to moderate drinking:
http://bit.ly/fAAHHe
http://bit.ly/gVouzl

I haven't seen anything published on the application of cue exposure therapy to deconditioning sugar cravings.  But I can't think of any reason why the same principles would not apply.  The downside of cue exposure therapy is that it is a lot of work, will generate some intense cravings in the short term, and requires persistence.  Some have found that the addition of hedonic blockers like low dose Naltrexone, help get through this phase, but I personally think it may be more robust just to plunge in without the help of drugs.

Many people have reported that it is psychologically far easier to pursue a challenging diet or new habit as long as "cheats" are allowed.   I agree with this sentiment, and I found that in my own effort to moderate drinking or eating carbohydrates, what worked best is to "schedule" the behavior.  So I drink on two specific days a week.  And I have my chocolate croissants two mornings a week.  I've heard that some orthodox Jews who smoke a lot are able to refrain from smoking on the Sabbath with zero cravings because that has been behaviorally conditioned.  It is amazing how we can program these "releases", so that they occur when and how we want them to occur, rather than in response to random, uncontrolled cues.

That said, I cannot deny that your plan may work.  You have a background in psychology, so you understand the forces at work.  If you get to the point where you have truly lost all desire for sweets, then you may have succeeded. But you'll have to keep the match away from the gasoline for the rest of your life.  By contrast, once you get through the hard work of cue exposure therapy, you have a life-long immunization from temptation.

Todd
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« Reply #145 on: February 20, 2011, 07:03:01 PM »

Actually, I'm in no way avoiding trigger situations.  I am anticipating them and getting through them (more on this another time) without eating any sweets.

I did the same with smoking and found it to be very easy. It only took me three days to get rid of the urges.  It probably took another 5-6 months where I got to the point that a stressfull situation no longer was a trigger to have a cigarette.

Of course sweets are a different animal since they are far more reinforcing and pleasuarble to me than a cigarette.



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« Reply #146 on: February 27, 2011, 02:54:23 PM »

I'm on day 14 of no sweets.  I've dropped another 2 lbs since last week.

One of the strategies I'm using is substitution.  I still find myself at times hungry after meals.  This is where I usually breakdown and binge on sweets.

Instead of reachng for a cookie, I've been eating chips or crackers.  although this isn't the most healthy food choice I NEVER binge on chips or crackers. At some reasonable point I become sated unlike the times where I reach for the sweet treat.



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« Reply #147 on: March 07, 2011, 06:30:34 AM »

Wow !! What a week.

I'm now do to 200 lbs. I haven't seen this territory in a while.  The strange part is that earlier last week I had a sugar binge.  I don't know what brought it on but I was able to get back on the wagon the next day.  After I did, my weight loss accelerated (probably because my metabolism increased due to the eating).

So I've lost 17 lbs in 22 days.

Although my focus has been sweets, I really have an issue with hypereating (which ususally involves sweets. So I'm trying not reach for something else to eat while I'm still chewing during snacking situations.  I probably need to avoid eating while in the kitchen altogether. I've been pretty good at moderating which is a huge step for me. I even ate jello a couple of times last week without going nuts.
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« Reply #148 on: March 07, 2011, 02:38:27 PM »

Sugardude,

Glad to hear you are doing so well.  I'm interested to know whether your current approach is mainly focused on dietary measures like substitution, or whether you find that other measures like exercise, alternate non-food pleasurable activities, or psychological approaches, factor into your new approach.

Todd
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« Reply #149 on: March 08, 2011, 11:39:29 AM »

Well Todd, I have to say that exercise has been a huge part of the regimen. I try to get in a 30 minute run most days.

When I have access to a treadmill (that would be any work day because I go to the gym at lunch but not on off days because it is too far away from my home) I do intervals every 1:40. I'm jogging at 6.0 for 1:40 and running at 8.0 for 20 seconds.  I started with 30 minutes of no interval and gradually increased the intervals to where I'm running when the clock hits 10, 12, 14, 16....and so forth until the last interval at 28. Today I will start at minute 8.    

On the weekend or other non-work days (I am a California state employee) I run a course in my neighborhood which has a mixture of uphill and downhill slopes.  Currently I'm doing that for 40 minutes and I'm trying to work up to 60.

As for diet...........I have to come clean.  The original plan was to decondition by anticipating what situations normally cause me to binge.  What I didn't disclose was the method I was using to help me through those periods.  The original plan was to use this method only during those periods but it is so damn effective I'm using it much more often now.  Okay, it's not a method.  It's a weight loss drug (Phentermine).
  
I had been searching for something that could mimic the appetite suppression effects of cocaine without
having the other things that go along with it.  This pretty much covers the bill.

I'm still eating 3 meals a day but my control is really enhanced.  Last week when I was going to the potato chip card (which I still do to some extent) I was not taking the medication.  But after I had my binge I was afraid that I would continue so I've been regular with the medssince then.

My plan is to fade out the medication after awhile to see if there is any change in my response to sugar.  Currently I have notived that I am able to eat a sweet treat  once in a while and then stop. This would be the ultimate goal....moderation.

BTW, I am now embracing the idea of enthusiatically taking in the odors of sweets without eating them.  Obviously this is easier to do on the meds but I don't know if it will have any deconditioning effect with actually having to suffer through the mental anguish of wanting to eat it.  In any event it can't hurt.

I'm down to 199.  

 
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