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Discussion Topics => Rehabilitation => Topic started by: kuber on January 25, 2016, 09:41:13 PM

Title: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: kuber on January 25, 2016, 09:41:13 PM
Its been 45 days I've been printpushing . In another 15 days i will go for the eyetest
Will post about my improvement.
Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: OtisBrown on January 26, 2016, 04:47:16 AM
Hi Kuber,

Let me add Jakes commentary - for reference.  No OD is set up for prevention of any kind.

http://endmyopia.org/eyesight-health-topics/

As you probably know, Jake got out of -4 diopters.  I always suggest more independence int he person - like getting your own Snellen, and stetting it up and reading it at 20 feet.  At -4 diopters, it takes a long time to reach the point of reading the 20/60 line.  The ODs measure, not for 20/20, but for a minus that gives you 20/15 vision.  just remember that issue. 

I think that the eye-care profession has totally failed us.

Its been 45 days I've been printpushing . In another 15 days i will go for the eyetest
Will post about my improvement.
Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: kuber on January 26, 2016, 07:42:58 AM
Yes Otis sir .
I do have a snellen hung in my garden. But i dont want to see it,i saw it for the first two weeks  everyday and found no change ,it demotivates me.  Like we dont check the weight everyday in the gym,i  feel we should not check the snellen e everyday. I will check it once a month.
Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: OtisBrown on January 26, 2016, 11:57:11 AM
Hi Kuber,

I suggest Jake's method of measurement for you.  Since you have a -4 diopter prescription, you should be able to read clearly at 10 inches.  (25 cm).

When i suggest self measurement, I do say, "do this every day".  I say, do is for comfort, and a reference by which you can judge any success you achieve.
I do this to say you money.  If you must go to an optometrist - your measurements get very expensive indeed.

In fact,  I agree the once you get set with your base-line measurement, you do not have to do them anymore - for several moths.  We all know that change is very slow.  But, like weight-loss, you must establish a base line - to objectively tell if you have any effect at all.


Yes Otis sir .
I do have a snellen hung in my garden. But i dont want to see it,i saw it for the first two weeks  everyday and found no change ,it demotivates me.  Like we dont check the weight everyday in the gym,i  feel we should not check the snellen e everyday. I will check it once a month.
Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: foie on January 27, 2016, 05:17:19 AM
Hi Kuber,
I have the same prescription than you !!!! How many minutes "print pushing" do you spend by day ? For me 30 minutes of snellen charts and it s difficult to have improvements ....
I hope that will work for you ....
Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: kuber on January 27, 2016, 05:48:52 AM
Foie:  i don't understand what u mean by 30 minutes of snellen.
I do print pushing almost every time i read anything on computer ot my mobile or any book.
Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: kuber on January 27, 2016, 05:57:59 AM
Yes Otis sir i did record my snellen reading when i started . On december 1. I am keeping a hardbound diary recording my vision and also every single step I'm taking towards vision improvement regarding diet and exercises.

I'm determined to get out of myopia.

I take advice very seriously and follow it religiously. (I wish i had not  followed the advice of the optician 20 years ago that warned me to wear the 0.5 /0.5 lenses all the time lest my eyesight would worsen further. My parents followed his advice too and didnt let remove my glasses even at home.)

Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: foie on January 27, 2016, 06:03:13 AM
i read a snellen chart trying to see the smallests caracters ... I do it 30 minutes by day .... Its like "print pushing" but at 6 meters .
Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: kuber on January 27, 2016, 07:30:12 AM
But at -4 how would u see the smallest ones
Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: foie on January 28, 2016, 01:16:23 AM
Good question ! Today i wear -3.5 glasses all the day and i practice on snellen charts to see 20/20 ! Good luck for your improvements !
Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: kuber on January 30, 2016, 05:39:57 PM
It was my worse eyesight day yesterday. I notice my eyesight is bright clear somedays compared to other days.
Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: kuber on February 02, 2016, 05:55:15 AM
I'm on a trip and so couldn't go for my eye test.  Will do it as soon as I'm back.
I feel eyes see better on vacations.. i see much clear
Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: kuber on February 05, 2016, 08:12:51 PM
Checked my eyes on my snellen ,(bright day light outside).i see 20/40 though blurry but i can make out.
Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: OtisBrown on February 06, 2016, 08:21:50 PM
Hi Kuber,

I always amazes me, when a person with a prescribed -4 diopter, can read or make out most of the letter on the 20/40 line on a
bright Snellen.

That suggest to me that you are seriously over-prescribed.  This is why I always ask a person to check themselves, objectively.

You should be able to do all close work with no minus lens.  Further, you can probably watch TV, with no glasses (just sit closer).

The people who recovery, manage to avoid wearing that strong minus, most of the time.  I never over-claim success.

But being objective - is indeed the first step on that road to normal vision.


Checked my eyes on my snellen ,(bright day light outside).i see 20/40 though blurry but i can make out.
Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: foie on February 10, 2016, 05:51:28 AM
Hi Kuber, the last time you asked to me: "But at -4 how would u see the smallest ones"
  Today you can see 20/40 on snellen chart ???????????????
At what distance ??  I m a little surprised ....
Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: kuber on February 12, 2016, 01:21:52 AM
Yes foie. I can see the 20/40line from 20 feet .(in bright light outdoors)
At the start that is on december 1 st, i checked the snellen indoors in my room i coudnt see the 20/200 line.
Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: kuber on February 12, 2016, 01:25:45 AM
Otis sir ,yes it could be a combination of both over prescription and myeyesight  improvement.
I remember on december 1st i couldn't see the 20/200line on the snellen.
I guess I've been lucky to witness massive improvements in 2 months.

I cross checked with my sister. She is a -4 myope too and when i asked her to read the snellen hung outdoors she couldn't read  the 20/200 .

Thank you Todd sir and Otis sir
Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: foie on February 15, 2016, 05:22:59 AM
Ok Kuber, did you check  your snellen with light indoor ? You didn t mention it ....
Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: Wheelie on March 17, 2016, 12:57:53 PM
What diopter did you finally get at your  latest eyetest?
Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: kuber on March 17, 2016, 10:30:54 PM
@whilee
Today morning ,(infact every morning since a week,)  i can see 20/30, outdoors in bright light.
I can also make out some letters of 20/20  if i squint a little.
Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: Wheelie on March 18, 2016, 06:19:12 AM
@whilee
Today morning ,(infact every morning since a week,)  i can see 20/30, outdoors in bright light.
I can also make out some letters of 20/20  if i squint a little.
hi,
I'm interested in knowing how much your diopter  has improved from -4.5 objectively. I'm also at -4.5 according to the eye reading device at the optometrist. :)
Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: Wheelie on March 18, 2016, 06:41:47 AM
Thanks, gonna watch it later.

I don't believe they over prescribe in my country, but they  give what you need to get at 0 diopter (with glasses on).
Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: kuber on March 19, 2016, 01:12:21 AM
Hi Kuber,
Congratulations.  Personally, I take EXCEEDING the 20/40 line as a success - but I do mean naked-eye in bright light.

Could you clarify one point.  Is this naked eye vision, BOTH EYES OPEN? 

Thanks,


@whilee
Today morning ,(infact every morning since a week,)  i can see 20/30, outdoors in bright light.
I can also make out some letters of 20/20  if i squint a little.

Yes i see the 20/30 line ,with both eyes open ,naked ,in bright outdoor light .Somedays i see it much clear than others.
Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: kuber on March 19, 2016, 01:15:22 AM
@whilee
Today morning ,(infact every morning since a week,)  i can see 20/30, outdoors in bright light.
I can also make out some letters of 20/20  if i squint a little.
hi,
I'm interested in knowing how much your diopter  has improved from -4.5 objectively. I'm also at -4.5 according to the eye reading device at the optometrist. :)

I dont want to go to the optometrists so soon. I am damn sure they will over prescribe me and try to tell me all my improvement is rubbish.
Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: Wheelie on March 19, 2016, 11:59:16 AM
@whilee
Today morning ,(infact every morning since a week,)  i can see 20/30, outdoors in bright light.
I can also make out some letters of 20/20  if i squint a little.
hi,
I'm interested in knowing how much your diopter  has improved from -4.5 objectively. I'm also at -4.5 according to the eye reading device at the optometrist. :)
but they can measure your refractive error (for free)  so you can see what lenses you'd need now, they wouldn't force you to buy glasses

I dont want to go to the optometrists so soon. I am damn sure they will over prescribe me and try to tell me all my improvement is rubbish.
Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: Wheelie on March 19, 2016, 01:11:35 PM
Oops :P
Corrected:
@whilee
Today morning ,(infact every morning since a week,)  i can see 20/30, outdoors in bright light.
I can also make out some letters of 20/20  if i squint a little.
hi,
I'm interested in knowing how much your diopter  has improved from -4.5 objectively. I'm also at -4.5 according to the eye reading device at the optometrist. :)

I dont want to go to the optometrists so soon. I am damn sure they will over prescribe me and try to tell me all my improvement is rubbish.
but they can measure your refractive error (for free)  so you can see what lenses you'd need now, they wouldn't force you to buy glasses

I dont want to go to the optometrists so soon. I am damn sure they will over prescribe me and try to tell me all my improvement is rubbish.
Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: Wheelie on March 20, 2016, 08:57:34 AM
A measurement by an optometrist is free, he probably knows he has -4.5 this way
Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: Wheelie on March 20, 2016, 10:59:07 AM
OD's are professional doctors, they aren't free, optometrists sell glasses and will measure your momentary vision for free, they prescribe the diopter to result at a zero diopter, focal point on the retina when the ciliary is relaxed, which is over prescription, better than 20/20, but accurate and objective  nonetheless.

Kuber probably knows he has -4.5 because an optometrist measured it for him.
Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: Wheelie on March 20, 2016, 12:27:20 PM
Wow, thanks for calling me an idiot lol.

In the topic title he states he has or had -4.5, how does he know? Not from snellen, that's for sure. I only say find out the current diopter the way he found out he had -4.5, probably for free at an optometrist, like he suggested in another post,  for objective numbers.
I had mine tested last week for free at a random optometrist  and didn't have to buy anything. Yes they over prescribed when I could try what they have measured, everything was crisp, complete  overkill.
20/30 and even 20/20 doesn't mean the diopter in the eyes is 0.
Jake also emphasizes the importance of measuring your diopter, only not at the optometrist but with a measuring tape.
Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: OtisBrown on March 25, 2016, 04:34:07 PM
No Wheelie, I called you an optometrist, or optometrist follower.

Why not be honest with your connections and interest - for all of us? Are you attempting to destroy the concept of prevention,
for your own private reasons?  Why not be honest about it. Why not USE YOUR REAL NAME??

Does Jake have you nailed in this video discussion of you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sZKtrQTWPM

Ultimately true-prevention is going to conflict with traditional (minus over-prescription) optometry practice.

Wow, thanks for calling me an idiot lol.

In the topic title he states he has or had -4.5, how does he know? Not from snellen, that's for sure. I only say find out the current diopter the way he found out he had -4.5, probably for free at an optometrist, like he suggested in another post,  for objective numbers.
I had mine tested last week for free at a random optometrist  and didn't have to buy anything. Yes they over prescribed when I could try what they have measured, everything was crisp, complete  overkill.
20/30 and even 20/20 doesn't mean the diopter in the eyes is 0.
Jake also emphasizes the importance of measuring your diopter, only not at the optometrist but with a measuring tape.
Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: kuber on March 25, 2016, 11:14:36 PM
@whileee okay ill go to the optometrists and get my eye test done. In the first week
Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: kuber on April 13, 2016, 09:02:53 AM
So today i went to the eye hospital. Though it was my bad eyesight day today i went because i rarely get time to visit n wait at the doctors.
I took the computerized eye exam and also the manual eye test  by the lens by the doctor .
From -4.75 ,-4.75
He now prescibed me( -3L,  -3.5 R ,)
He was amazed when he saw the last visits prescription. He quickly sent me out without discussing anything.

Im sure I'm around (-2.5 or- 2.75)  as the doctor had very dark room  for testing .
Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: kuber on April 13, 2016, 09:03:47 AM
Btw i have all the doctor presctiptions copies with me
Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: Alex_Myopic on April 14, 2016, 12:43:48 AM
Nice results!
Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: EugeneS on April 14, 2016, 06:25:19 AM
Good work!
I assume doing the Snellen test in a dark room( as all ODs do) makes the results worse? Thank you!
Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: formula16 on April 16, 2016, 06:13:43 PM
Hi there
Congrats on your progress! I was just wondering do you have a kind of routine that you follow each day? For example, print pushing 30 minutes a day, going outside for an hour to look at long distances etc.
Thanks!
Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: foie on February 21, 2017, 05:50:59 AM
Hi kuber,  did you improve your eyesight ?  Did you do printpushing ?  See you soon !
Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: sleepmaster4 on March 01, 2017, 01:52:28 PM
If you're doing it right that's what the results should look like, quick shot down from the -4s to the low -3s then grind it down into the -1s.  I heard that Jake guy is at -1.75 from the -4s.

I'm not sure if it's possible to get to zero diopters from the -4s, but you worry about that after you get into the -1s and get your license vision restriction removed.
Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: OtisBrown on September 04, 2017, 06:36:45 AM
Hi - About Kuber.

People rely EXCESSIVELY on an OD "measurement".  That is always a mistake.

It is your own Snellen, that will tell the OBJECTIVE story of your visual future.

Kuber, seems to have passed the 20/40, on a REASONABLE Snellen.

That passes the DMV requirement.

I was at 20/40 (after cataract surgery).  It was then that I "committed" to full time, and long term plus wearing.

After about 9 months (the plus is VERY COMFORTABLE), I began seeing the 20/20 line.

NOTE:  The 20/20 line is never "perfect".  What you see from this long-term plus wearing, is that you get a "range" of values, from 20/25 to 20/15.

What is OBJECTIVE SUCCESS?  By your standard?

It is that I am certain that I will exceed the 20/40 line.  But the final objective verification, is that
I go down to the DMV, and pass THEIR TEST.

Do not worry about, "OD VERIFICATION'.

Worry about getting to 20/40, and doing better than 20/40.

My best support for people with great motivation to wear the plus, at 20/40.

Best,
Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: Alex_Myopic on September 20, 2017, 11:31:15 AM
I tried forbettervision program for about 10 months with 0 results in my diplopia and myopia! In fact I had to work a lot of hours renewing a house and didn't have time for print pushing and eye exercises the last two months and my eyes got a bit worse maybe due to ciliary spasm. I even had some problem reading subtitles I was able to read before. Now using plus lense again while print pushing, doing active focus at far distance at Snellen chart and my astigmatic wheel mode my eyesight is improving again to its former level.
Title: Re: my journey from( -4.5 ,-4.5)
Post by: OtisBrown on November 01, 2017, 11:25:24 AM
Hi Alex,
I finally realized that only an OD who understood the science of all natural eyes - would be able to help his own children, AVOID ENTRY, into nearsightedness.

The rest of us, "dumb bunnies" will never understand it, and will "refuse it", if the discussion ever came up.

The advantage for Antonio's children - is that this type of prevention, does not cost anything at all.

Just a parent who will always insist that the child, ALWAYS sit up, and ALWAYS wear a strong plus for near.

The type of intellectual discipline, is severe.  I am certain that no one "medical" will ever discuss this subject with you.

But, Alex, you are doing great.  I check my own "home Snellen" (brightly lit) for 20/40.  Then, I continue to check for 20/20.  That is the only right way to do prevention, "on your own".

Keep positing, and keep checking your own Snellen.

I now use a "trial lens kit" on myself.  The only scientific was.

Best,