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Title: Barefoot running
Post by: Colin on April 02, 2010, 07:50:58 AM
Great post on the blog site about barefoot running!  I have tried it on two different days now. I started to get a few blisters on my heel and ball of my feet, but these have toughened up and I will run again today.  I'm thinking about getting the Vibrams. I checked our the Run Bare site and they recommend toughening up your feet by running barefoot before you go to Vibrams: http://www.runbare.com/446/how-to-transition-into-vibram-five-fingers/
Title: Re: Barefoot running
Post by: Moonbeam on April 25, 2010, 05:05:25 PM
Are you running outside or on a treadmill? 
Title: Re: Barefoot running
Post by: jared33 on August 01, 2010, 06:47:51 PM
Well I finally bought some Vibrams to try out barefoot (or almost barefoot) running.  It's quite fun, I ran along a dirt path that follows one of the roads here.  I may have overdone it a bit, because I went for a 5 mile run.  I notice my calves are a bit sore and stiff, but not overly so.  I think I'll wait several days for the soreness to go away and try it again.  I'm interested to hear anyone else's experience with barefoot running, and whether it makes a difference between wearing Vibrams and really going barefoot.
Title: Re: Barefoot running
Post by: jared33 on November 27, 2010, 11:52:51 AM
I've been enjoying running in my Vibrams the past four months.  With the colder whether I may try some other minimalist footwear like the New Balance Minimus shoes.  There's a great site that has tons of information on all things related to barefoot, Vibram or minimalist footwear: http://birthdayshoes.com/

Any other barefoot/minimalist footwear runners here?

jared
Title: Re: Barefoot running
Post by: Micheal Jackson on November 30, 2010, 02:22:00 AM
i have also read a related blog , that says that there are different ways of ruining , one increases your weight other reduces .
Title: Re: Barefoot running
Post by: Jesse on March 04, 2011, 04:26:08 AM
I have read many times this thing , But it is true there is no offence in it or no deny to this thing .
Title: Re: Barefoot running
Post by: Todd Becker on March 05, 2011, 11:43:11 AM
Last April, I ran as one member of a 12-person team in a 200-mile relay from Napa to Santa Cruz, California. Each person ran 3 legs of about 4-7 miles each.  My total distance was about 17 miles.  It was my first serious long distance running event, beyond a few local 5K and 10K races.  It was thrilling and got me over my fear that I could not do that.

In the past year, I've done some barefoot running and running with Vibram 5-fingers.  I have typically been alternating between shoes and Vibrams, but I'm now running almost exclusively in the Vibrams, because its fun and it really has strengthened my calves.  I've described the benefits in my post on
The paradox of barefoot running (http://gettingstronger.org/2010/03/the-paradox-of-barefoot-running/).

And now I'm planning to run in the Relay again, but I'm think I'm going to do it wearing the Vibrams!
Title: Re: Barefoot running
Post by: Aamir on March 16, 2011, 02:47:20 AM
Hi Runner,
This was new information for me. thanks for the share and link.
Just want to know does it have any age or weight limit?
Are there any advices you want to share with beginners?
Title: Re: Barefoot running
Post by: UrsusMinor on March 16, 2011, 10:58:14 AM
Hi. I've been running in Vibrams for a little over a year.

I don't think there are any age (I'm 57) or weight limits that are any different from running in general.

But--and that's a really big BUT--you need to start with very low distances and pay incredible attention to form. Land very light. Concentrate on short, rapid, springy strides, and don't land on your heels. Just having the feedback from the bottoms of your feet helps with form, but you should pay conscious attention as well. (When I first started I found I had to chant "light, light, light" under my breath to remind myself.

The best advice I ever had was from someone who told me to run as if you were trying to sneak up on something--soundless, quick, short paces.

A lot of people overdo it and end up with calf overstrain, Achilles problems, top-of-foot pain. Your legs and feet are used to shoes, and so all that connective tissue and muscle is used to being shortened because of elevated heels. You can't change that overnight...or even in a couple of years.
Title: Re: Barefoot running
Post by: Halsey on March 16, 2011, 08:55:37 PM
Hi Runner,
This was new information for me. thanks for the share and link.
Just want to know does it have any age or weight limit?
Are there any advices you want to share with beginners?
Hello Amir i hope you are working well to keep you fit....
What about boby? Did he join you in running or not???
See you tomorrow at your home..
Title: Re: Barefoot running
Post by: OtisBrown on March 21, 2011, 04:41:25 PM
Hi Todd,

Here is a video on running that should be of interest to the group.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PN8kljU7c8&NR=1&feature=fvwp

I think this is truly tough -- but that is what your site is all about.

Best,

Otis




Last April, I ran as one member of a 12-person team in a 200-mile relay from Napa to Santa Cruz, California. Each person ran 3 legs of about 4-7 miles each.  My total distance was about 17 miles.  It was my first serious long distance running event, beyond a few local 5K and 10K races.  It was thrilling and got me over my fear that I could not do that.

In the past year, I've done some barefoot running and running with Vibram 5-fingers.  I have typically been alternating between shoes and Vibrams, but I'm now running almost exclusively in the Vibrams, because its fun and it really has strengthened my calves.  I've described the benefits in my post on
The paradox of barefoot running (http://gettingstronger.org/2010/03/the-paradox-of-barefoot-running/).

And now I'm planning to run in the Relay again, but I'm think I'm going to do it wearing the Vibrams!
Title: Re: Barefoot running
Post by: Jertive on May 31, 2011, 04:15:32 AM
It is good to run with barefoot.I also do running by barefoot in the morning.It is a healthy exercise and we can get a better health with this tool.
Title: Re: Barefoot running
Post by: Esmond on June 08, 2011, 02:29:05 AM
Hi Runner,
I tried once running barefooted on my friend's advice but hurt my ankle.
Never tried barefooted running again. Went to my old path with my joggers after recovering.
Title: Re: Barefoot running
Post by: shadowfoot on June 08, 2011, 11:10:12 AM
Esmond,

As UrsusMinor said, you need to train the previously unused parts of your feet and ankles very slowly or else you risk injury. Classic example of hormesis. What you're saying is kind of like saying I went out in the sun because my friend told me I could get a tan and look good that way . . . but I burned myself and never went out in the sun without sunblock again.
Title: Re: Barefoot running
Post by: yourits007 on June 08, 2011, 11:26:23 PM
what is difference between Barefoot running and with shoe running
i don't think so its well do much difference
Title: Re: Barefoot running
Post by: shadowfoot on June 09, 2011, 10:35:49 AM
yourits007,

There is a very large difference between running barefoot and with shoes. http://tsaklis.com.p6.hostingprod.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/docs/ARICLE-NATURE2.13221323.pdf

In short, when running in shoes people tend to heel strike, which causes a sudden impact. When barefoot, people land on the balls of their feet and gently set their heels down, creating a much lighter impact. This translates into less injury long-term.
Title: Re: Barefoot running
Post by: dee on June 10, 2011, 08:12:31 AM
Thank god you replied instead of me, shadowfoot. I was going to answer "take your shoes off and try it."
Title: Re: Barefoot running
Post by: Mercurial on September 30, 2011, 11:54:54 PM
I love barefoot running!  It's incredibly freeing.  I prefer to go barefoot whenever I can, though for social reasons and also due to not trusting city streets I've compromised with Vibram 5-Fingers - and am generally quite happy with it.

I have a question, though.  I managed to mess up my ankles a little under a year ago doing barefoot running and I haven't fully recovered yet.  I was following the FBI's suggested training regimen (http://www.fbijobs.gov/11134.asp), figuring that was a good baseline for health and ability.  I was even trying to be careful about getting into running slowly, going just 4mph on a treadmill for about two minutes at a time and switching to a walking pace for another two minutes and then week by week slowly increasing the time I spent running between each resting period.  That was working really well, so much so that I was running for 15 minutes straight and decided to start upping the speed a bit.  I upped it by a tenth of a mile per hour about every three to seven days, based on what I seemed to be able to conservatively handle.  That continued until I was going at 6mph for the duration.  But the moment I went up to 6.1mph, my ankles startes screaming blood murder at me.

I've been to a number of therapists, although for ridiculous reasons related to insurance I haven't been to a physical therapist more than once.  The short version is that it seems that either my flexor digitorum longus or my flexor hallucis longus (http://www.myfootshop.com/images/anatomy/scans/scan_medial_ankle.jpg) has been damaged in some fashion.

Now, I know it has gotten a lot better.  I had to spend about two weeks walking on the blades of my feet to keep from being in limping agony, and now I can walk pretty much normally.  However, if I spend too much time practicing with a sword for martial arts (which apparently involves some arch-collapsing bad habits on my part), my ankles start hurting again.  And if I sprint for more than about five seconds, my ankles hurt again.

I learned how to change where my weight lands so that my ankles support my weight better and don't collapse my arches so much.  That has been a grand boon of wearing the Vibrams.  (Wearing insoles in proper shoes didn't help at all.  Hormetism in action once again!)  But I really want to get back into running and sprinting, and at the rate at which I seem to be recovering I'll be able to start doing that maybe in a year.  That seems absurdly long to recover from a single injury.

Does anyone here have some suggestion for me?

Thanks,
~Mercurial
Title: Re: Barefoot running
Post by: shadowfoot on October 01, 2011, 05:52:19 AM
Mercurial,

I don't have any suggestions for healing faster, but I do have some for keeping this in check in the future. When running barefoot, my biggest problem has always been my ankles, which would start to ache after 10-15 miles. I was able to ameliorate this by improving my form: bending my knees more, increasing my cadence, etc. I would try experimenting with your running technique and find what works best for you. It took me about a year and maybe 200-300 miles to really figure out what was best for me in terms of form.