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Rehabilitation / Re: Irritaded eye only at sleep
« Last post by Alex_Myopic on October 31, 2017, 02:40:51 PM »
Unlike me for some people their RCE is provoked by dry eyes due to tears evaporation due to bad lip layer in the tear film. Then some people with this condition find that 5% salty water is not the solution for them. But here are some helful informations for them:

http://www.dw.com/en/bloodshot-eyes-whats-behind-them/av-38403701

"Clogged glands are the number one contributor to severe evaporative dry eye (MGD). The larger XL uses gel packs 30% larger than tranquileyes®, allowing for an extended compress duration, required for severe MGD. Use tranquileyes xl® for immediate and long-term relief from severe dry eye, MGD or blepharitis."

https://www.eyeeco.com/tranquileyes-xl-sup-sup-with-beads-xl-for-severe-dry-eye-relief-blue.html

https://www.eyeeco.com/tranquileyes-moist-heatcold-therapy-goggles.html

" have been getting RCEs for years but they are much better controlled since I saw my NHS consultant.

I have a tear film that breaks up very quickly especially at night so my eyelids stick to my corneas and cause erosions when I go into REM or wake up. (If you have a different cause this treatment may not be enough for you.) I was getting two or three a night before I was treated but I do not get infections.

Surprisingly he said to use celluvisc during the DAY and, surprisingly, that alone helped a bit. Punctal plugs, though, were painful and had to be removed.

I now use celluvisc every hour or so during the day, more as it gets near bedtime. I do a heat treatment with tranquileyes and celluvisc before bed as it seems to hydrate my eyes nicely. I then use a line of lacrliube then a squeeze of viscotears into the corner of my eyes, neither doing any good on their own. I wear tranquileyes all night but I have to replace the lacrilube and viscotears combo two or three times during the night.

When I wake up, I gently move my eyelids so they are not stuck down.

This regime has made a great difference to me, I have gone weeks without an erosion but they are not gone completely and there is no pattern to when they recur.

I noticed that getting anything in my eyes would cause an erosion that night so I wear padded biker glasses outside and clear ones indoors if I am doing anything that could be dusty.

In the morning, I wipe down my eye margins with a hypoallergenic eye makeup remover pad using a different part for top and bottom of each eye.

I hope you find something to help

R "

http://www.dryeyezone.com/talk/forum/dry-eye-talk-discussion-and-q-a/open-forum-patients-pros/16643-how-to-stop-recurrent-corneal-erosions

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First, I support the concept of the plus, as the second-opinion.  But you can not "share" prevention, with a person who believes that all prevention (at 20/40, self -1.0 diopter) is totally impossible.

Here are two video. The first, a graph of their "Box Camera" theory (Helmholtz- Donders) that has never been subjected to an objective scientific test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUKr5-IyrV8&t=284s

All fundamental eyes are dynamic.  In pure science (where you actually run the test yourself), the eye is always proved to be responsive to its average value of accommodation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRkgvXmzk8I&t=1s

It is up to you - to decide who is honest an accurate in this type of analytical science.

The second concept, fully supports Todd's, concept and success. 

I never recommend that a person even START with any prevention, unless he can read the 20/50 line, and can find in himself the motivation for long-term plus wearing.

This is absolutely NOT MEDICINE, and no one should ever think it is. There is not cure.
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Subject: Why I do not trust "medical studies" that are extremely biased and divorced from scientific common sense.

Budapest! That is where "Women Killing" by doctors - was brought to an end - by Ignaz Semmelweis.  Ignaz ran a prevention study - under his control.  Ignaz brought the death rate down from 15% to 1%.  How did the doctors respond to Ignaz's success?  Absolutely - they did NOT.  These doctors ran THEIR OWN STUDY, to convince themselves - that it was OK to dissect a corpse - and then deliver a baby.  The results of their new medical study - when implemented?  Women continued to die at the 15 % rate for the next 30 years.  This is why I do not trust optometry-myopia studies.  What did these doctors do to Ignaz?  The fired him - for life.  No good deed - goes un-punished !!  Moral of the story?  Do not trust studies that are isolated from objective science.  There is science - that does support Jake's success.  No one should attempt to put Jake down - who is medical.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Avoiding ENTRY, into "negative status", can not be done by any medical person.  But I agree.  If you wish to AVOID entry, you should study objective science, and avoid this type of intellectually blind, "medical attitude".

But, I  limit myself to ONLY PEOPLE, who are in the range of 20/40, and can self -measure their own refraction.  It take long-term, and intense dedication to always do better than 20/40, and, get to 20/20.

The study by Frank Young, proved that prevention, like this, is possible.

It is all up to you.

Just do not believe these, "cooked" studies.
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Hi J23 -
Any one who studies the "closed world" of medicine, knows that they run "studies" to justify their existence.  So, if you "doubt" the minus lens, they will run a study to PROVE that the minus lens is not only "safe" but helps you in the long-term.

I object.  They never think to put a minus lens on the totally normal eye - and FIND OUT, its true effect.  If you are prepared to think of all fundamental eyes as, "dynamic", you could deduce the correct answer, (eyes measured as a refractive STATE, never as an "error".)

This study - is bogus as basic science - if you ask the RIGHT QUESTIONS.  If you want to be a slave to that, "first minus", the go ahead and believe them.  I prefer science.

I also do not argue for "recovery" much beyond 20/50 (self measured -1.0 diopter).

That does mean "accepting" the need to self check both your refraction, and "accept" long-term plus wearing (for near) with nothing for distance.

That means I simply do not trust anyone who tells me that the minus  lens is even "safe".

But - you must understand - that there are studies that contradict the statement - that these people, "jumped to".

I will post a short statement about MDs, "running their own study" to show that "not washing hands", was safe. 

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https://bannedfromthegym.blogspot.com/

For now, a free version of Banned from the Gym to 20/20 Vision
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If your vision is truly better, at night the halos around lights will seem smaller.

When you walk around outside in centers of long straight side streets to improve vision, ideally at least 30 minutes a session, it's important to keep the eyes relaxed as much as possible for optimum results.  If your eyes are still tense even after trying to relax them, you may have to zone out a little when you walk.  Naturally zone out a little, not with drugs or alcohol.  Seem a little droopy-eyed if you have to.  That's the direct opposite of trying to make out what you see, which you should avoid like the plague.  I say that because sometimes it's tempting to test your vision to see what street signs you can read from a distance, or if you can see this or that object.

Palming eyes inside a darkroom for 20 minutes at a time can also help the eyes become more relaxed before you go outside for those 30 minute sessions.

I'd try to go down from -4 to -3 this way, and then start using the +.5 plus lens for up close work once you get you get to -3.

That's based on -4 being the worst your vision ever was.  If your vision was once -5, then it's going to be tougher to get down to -3 without plus lenses and you may have to start using plus lenses once your eyes improve to the -3.5 level.
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Spend a lot of time outside in wide open areas, preferably symmetrical wide open areas that are both wide and deep and deeper than they are wide.  One example is walking in the centers of long straight low traffic residential side streets.  Walking is better than standing still since walking is more challenging for the eyes, similar to how it's more challenging to focus a moving camera than a stationary one.

.......okay

how would I know if I was improving

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Rehabilitation / Re: The complete destruction of our vision with the FIRST minus lens.
« Last post by j23 on October 11, 2017, 01:20:35 AM »
hi Otis

How would you explain this study - available for years but I have just found this when surfing (it is from a renown university) ?
As you are from US, is it possible you can get more details on the study ?
I can see it is rather not  a "rigid" study as they must have surveyed the children how often they wore glasses.

http://reap.fsi.stanford.edu/research/impact-wearing-glasses-myopia-progression-0
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Spend a lot of time outside in wide open areas, preferably symmetrical wide open areas that are both wide and deep and deeper than they are wide.  One example is walking in the centers of long straight low traffic residential side streets.  Walking is better than standing still since walking is more challenging for the eyes, similar to how it's more challenging to focus a moving camera than a stationary one.
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okay

so if a person has -4, what do they do to improve apart from stopping glasses ?
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