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Offline Todd Becker

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Re: Myopia reduction success stories using print pushing and plus lenses
« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2015, 09:08:29 PM »
More success stories -- see also the comments at the end of this post:

http://organicfitness.com/is-nearsightedness-a-reversible-condition/


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Re: Myopia reduction success stories using print pushing and plus lenses
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2015, 11:17:00 AM »
Hi there ! Greetings from germany !

I found to this platform cause i did'nt want to accept that
i have seen everthing clear until i was 30 years old and later
when i finished university and started working every day
on computer screen i needed minus glasses.
Before i was able to read on every test chart the lowest line.

Today i am 45 years old and i will tell you now my story.

Like i mentioned before, when i was 30 years old i noticed
that things like beamer presentations got blurred.
Also driving with the mountain bike into the forest
i noticed that the ground is blurred.

All started after long time of near distance work !

I went to the oculist and i had -0,5 diopter on both eyes.
He let me the decision if i want glasses or not, cause he said
is on the limit. I decided to take them, cause also if -0,5
sounds not much, there are already a lot of things of daily life blurred.

I thought already in these days that it must have to do with working all day on the computer screen.
But i found no solution for myself and what to change. 

Some years later i had -1 diopter on both eyes !
I got new glasses to fix that.

Then with the new glasses the eyes got worse again. I don't know how much, cause i didn't
decide to go to oculist. I expect minium -1,25 diopter on both eyes.
The old glasses were also scratched and it disturbed me more and more
using it under the helmet for motor bike and also when i did some work
like repairing the car. I hated these glasses more and more.

And then last summer, i think i did the best decision without knowing anything
about print pushing or other strategies. I put my glasses away.
Did everything without, also driving motorbike and car without.
Only on bad weather conditions in the night i put them on.

I felt how it got better without glasses. Only the left eye not the same way.


3 weeks ago in April 2015 i calculated my dipoter myself. Well maybe i am not right on 0,1 diopter,
but i calculated -0,8 diopter on left eye and -0,5 diopter on right eye.
Also if that numbers sound not so dramatic, it's still enough not to read e.g.
traffic signs far away. Also on my big TV LCD screen, when i came home from work,
big letters on screen were blurred.

At the same time i started with plus lenses. At the moment i wear every day on computer screen
a 1,5 diopter plus lense. With that lense i sit away from screen about 70cm what means ca. 0 diopter for my eyes.
After one hour when i start in the morning i can see almost everything clear on right eye.
On the left eye is a little bit blurred, but i can read everything.

When i take away the classes after hours i am able to see so clear like never before the last 15 years.

When i make then calculation of diopter i have ca. -0,5 / -0,2 only through reducing the daily near field stress !

We have a clock in one of our fabric workhops far away. In last winter i was not able to read the clock without pushing my eyes together.
Now i can see the clock clear and saw also details like that the clock has a red second hand :-)

But ! This is at the moment only temporary. When i watch e.g. one hour on my smartfon screen without plus lenses,
i have problems again to see the long distance things. Then i need to wear plus lenses to reverse this again.

But i am very happy nevertheless and looking forward what changes it can bring in long term .....


 
« Last Edit: April 30, 2015, 09:13:09 AM by flyitalo »

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Re: Myopia reduction success stories using print pushing and plus lenses
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2015, 03:49:25 PM »
Hi Flyitalo,

I have supported pilots, at about 20/50 and -1.5 diopters - because they have the long-term motivation to wear the plus - for the long term, and do not get tired from doing it.  I also agree that "recovery" is a very slow process. 

I do have the suggestion that you move away from a "diopter" measurement, and start checking your visual acuity, on your own "bright home Snellen" (if you are doing doing this now.)

I have 20/20.  Well actually 20/25 to 20/15 vision, self checked.  I think this "variation" is completely normal, and must be a factor in doing this checking.  Here is a Snellen chart for your own use:

http://www.i-see.org/block_letter_eye_chart.pdf

I always suggest a reasonable standard - which is to read 1/2 the letters on the 20/25 line - as a very reasonable success.

But I also have taught myself to measure my own refractive state - using my own set of "test minus lenses", and the 20/20 line.  It just makes me more confidence about success, and my own objective results. 

There are many people who NEVER LOOK.  NEVER CHECK. Then they say, "... I did not see any improvement".

Your optometrist was a "good man", to suggest NOT wearing the minus - at first.  But long-term close work, (not wearing the plus) just means that your refractive state becomes more negative.  Wearing the plus can very slowly reverse that process, if you have the motivation to do it.

But I do agree - set an objective standard for your success.  Then rely on yourself.

Thanks for your current report.

Hi there ! Greetings from germany !

I found to this platform cause i did'nt want to accept that
i have seen everthing clear until i was 30 years old and later
when i finished university and started working every day
on computer screen i needed minus glasses.
Before i was able to read on every test chart the lowest line.

Today i am 45 years old and i will tell you now my story.

Like i mentioned before, when i was 30 years old i noticed
that things like beamer presentations got blurred.
Also driving with the mountain bike into the forest
i noticed that the ground is blurred.

All started after long time of near distance work !

I went to the oculist and i had -0,5 diopter on both eyes.
He let me the decision if i want glasses or not, cause he said
is on the limit. I decided to take them, cause also if -0,5
sounds not much, there are already a lot of things of daily life blurred.

I thought already in these days that it must have to do with working all day on the computer screen.
But i found no solution for myself and what to change. 

Some years later i had -1 diopter on both eyes !
I got new glasses to fix that.

Then with the new glasses the eyes got worse again. I don't know how much, cause i didn't
decide to go to oculist. I expect minium -1,25 diopter on both eyes.
The old glasses were also scratched and it disturbed me more and more
using it under the helmet for motor bike and also when i did some work
like repairing the car. I hated these glasses more and more.

And then last summer, i think i did the best decision without knowing anything
about print pushing or other strategies. I put my glasses away.
Did everything without, also driving motorbike and car without.
Only on bad weather conditions in the night i put them on.

I felt how it got better without glasses. Only the left eye not the same way.


3 weeks ago in April 2015 i calculated my dipoter myself. Well maybe i am not right on 0,1 diopter,
but i calculated -0,8 diopter on left eye and -0,5 diopter on right eye.
Also if that numbers sound not so dramatic, it's still enough not to read e.g.
traffic signs far away. Also on my big TV LCD screen, when i came home from work,
big letters on screen were blurred.

In the same time i started with plus lenses. At the moment i wear every day on computer screen
a 1,5 diopter plus lense. With that lense i sit away from screen about 70cm what means ca. 0 diopter for my eyes.
After one hour when i start in the morning i can see almost everything clear on right eye.
On the left eye is a little bit blurred, but i can read everything.

When i take away the classes after hours i am able to see so clear like never before the last 15 years.

When i make then calculation of diopter i have ca. -0,5 / -0,2 only through reducing the daily near field stress !

We have a clock in one of our fabric workhops far away. In last winter i was not able to read the clock without pushing my eyes together.
Now i can see the clock clear and saw also details like that the clock has a red second hand :-)

But ! This is at the moment only temporary. When i watch e.g. one hour on my smartfon screen without plus lenses,
i have problems again to see the long distance things. Then i need to wear plus lenses to reverse this again.

But i am very happy nevertheless and looking forward what changes it can bring in long term .....
« Last Edit: April 29, 2015, 05:31:51 PM by OtisBrown »

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Re: Myopia reduction success stories using print pushing and plus lenses
« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2015, 09:23:22 AM »
Yeah, i am happy so far, that my eyes are not so bad like many other people having more than -5 dipoter.
Not needing any glasses is already a new life quality.

I can wait until something changes into positive, cause my basis ist not so bad and not so far away from zero ....
And i am happy that a lot was also done in the last year when i stopped wearing classes
without waiting for anything. I simply did'nt await anything and was surprised by the improvement.



« Last Edit: April 30, 2015, 09:26:19 AM by flyitalo »

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Re: Myopia reduction success stories using print pushing and plus lenses
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2015, 08:41:37 AM »
Hi Flyitalo,

I get tired of optometrists telling me that the minus is a "safe" solution.  Here is the answer that an OD supplies to the
age-old questions.  1) Does long-term close work create mild nearsightedness. and 2) Is the minus safe.  Is it making matters far worse.
3) Does it make my vision so bad - that I will never be able to get out of it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0QJnPb-pek

I always appreciate it when a person LOOKS ME IN THE EYES, and insists that a minus has no effect on all natural eyes. (I do not believe it - but HE believes it.)

Otis> Of course, we could just skip the argument, and just see (by objective science) what always happens when you place a -3 diopter lens on the emmetropic eye.

https://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wildsoet/images/neg_lens_induce_myopia.swf

Otis> The emmentropic eye, always reacts by changing its "state" in a negative direction from the enforced wearing of a minus lens - all the time.
This is the science of all natural eyes.  It is not medicine - at all - so this is not a medical "argument".
Your question was, "... does the normal  eye go down from wearing a minus lens all the time"?  This is the scientific answer to that question. Other optometrists have called this minus, "poison".  I support them, by calling this science the second-opinion.

But what he believes, or what *I* believe (as pure science) does not matter at all.  It is what you believe - that counts for everything.

I personally would seek to pass the 20/40 line - by objective self-checking. Then I would NEVER wear a minus lens, and avoid this
optometrist who presumes he can tell  you that a minus is, "perfectly safe".

If I want to get back to at least 20/30, and on to 20/20, I would not go to this optometrist.  I would rather just
do plus-prevention myself.  It costs me nothing - to protect *my* distant vision, by, 'doing it myself'.


Yeah, i am happy so far, that my eyes are not so bad like many other people having more than -5 dipoter.
Not needing any glasses is already a new life quality.

I can wait until something changes into positive, cause my basis ist not so bad and not so far away from zero ....
And i am happy that a lot was also done in the last year when i stopped wearing classes
without waiting for anything. I simply did'nt await anything and was surprised by the improvement.
« Last Edit: May 03, 2015, 05:44:15 PM by OtisBrown »

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Re: Myopia reduction success stories using print pushing and plus lenses
« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2015, 03:46:53 AM »
Hi Todd,
 
Ref: 

http://endmyopia.org/your-myopia-a-gateway-to-glaucoma-cataracts-retinal-detachment/
 
 
I truly understand how difficult it is to persuade a person to “wear a plus”, when at 20/40, and –1 diopter.  But, when the OD sits
there and tells me that a minus lens has NO EFFECT on all natural (emmetropic) eyes – I.0 diopters, I CRINGE.  Because it is now an objective, scientific lie.
 
The rest of it (that the public is ignorant, and will not take preventive actions at 20/40), is understandable.  This was in fact, Raphaelson’s statement.
But I do not appreciate a scientific lie.  I say to the OD, just tell me the “bitter scientific truth”, when *I* can do something intelligent about it.
 
You can tell the “general public” this lie in your office.  But please do not lie to me any more.
 
I want to “fight” to preserve *my* distant vision – even if I must start wearing the plus at 20/40.  We need a better, and honest “system” that informs
the person of the dire consequences – if he refuses to wear the plus (for near) when at 20/40.  Make *me* responsible by education, discussion,
HONESTY, and provide guidance.  (I am not a patient – I am an intelligent person who can and will take responsibility – because if I do not – I lose
my distant vision – permanently.)
 
I know your “fight” is different than my “fight”.  But the goal of prevention (at 20/40) is the same in both cases.
 
In the end, it will be the “wise” optometrist, who, recognizes this terrible problem, and helps his own child, by insisting that
the child 1) Sit up for goodness sake, and 2) Wear the plus (to get rid of that near environment.)
 
This is truly a difficult solution, because we know that the natural eye ‘goes down” at a rate of –1/2 diopter per year, if you
refuse to wear the plus at 20/40.
 
But the “general public” will never understand that type of science.


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Re: Myopia reduction success stories using print pushing and plus lenses
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2015, 01:04:38 PM »
Hi there  ! After some months i want to give an update.


3 weeks ago in April 2015 i calculated my dipoter myself. Well maybe i am not right on 0,1 diopter,
but i calculated -0,8 diopter on left eye and -0,5 diopter on right eye.


Short time after i meassured my eyes myself in April i got the confirmation from an optican with exact these values !

I continued with wearing plus lenses all day on work.
The left eye came now on the same value than the right eye.

My present situation is, the eyes got better in general , but when i watch
long time on screens without plus lenses , things get blurred again in long distance.
I need to wear some time the plus lenses to return this.
It means, i can get my eyes to about -0,2 diopter with wearing
plus lenses for a while. But without it gets worse up to -0,5 diopter again.

I am preparing at the moment for a driving license for boats. Tonight i had the medical check which is necessary.
I choosed a good day,  weared all day the plus lenses on work, to be fit on the evening for that.
A visus of 0,7 is necessary, but the optican tested more to give me the status of my eyes.
AND .... i could read the landolt rings up to Visus 1,0 !
It was crazy and i was suprised. I was sure i will do the 0,7 for getting the driving license without glasses,
but didn't await more.

I am happy on the one side, but on the other side, i know my eyes are not stable.
They are always changing, depending how i wear the plus lenses.

And at last i wanted to say. In german television they warned in a short report
that the kids getting myopia when they watch all day on screens or mobile phons !










 
« Last Edit: December 07, 2015, 01:20:27 PM by flyitalo »

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Re: Myopia reduction success stories using print pushing and plus lenses
« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2015, 06:05:46 AM »
Thanks for the update and congratulations! Your myopia seems to be very much a spasm of accommodation. Mine is, too, and really fluctuates depending on conditions. Sometimes it's called "Near Induced Transient Myopia" where you see worse in the distance after doing near work. I came across this study http://journals.lww.com/optvissci/Fulltext/2009/11000/Accommodative_Training_to_Reduce_Nearwork_Induced.11.aspx and have been trying it on myself, slightly modifying one of the exercises to make it more challenging. I'm doing it for 6 weeks (like the study) and currently on week 5 of the 6. I've already had some good results, not miraculous but good. I'll do an official post about it once my experiment is done, but I'm sharing the link in case you're interested.